Problema tivusat

[terminal]

Ecco ho usato questo reader

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[reader]
label = tivusat
enable = 1
protocol = smargo
device = /dev/ttyUSB0
caid = 183D
detect = cd
mhz = 357
cardmhz = 357
tiger_rsakey = A92DA72FEEACF2947Bxxxxxxxx3DC159C9F4D8164B5
rsakey = A92DA72FEEACF2947BxxxxxxA3DC159C9F4D8164B5
group = 1
emmcache = 1,3,2
deprecated = 1

ecco il log invece

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>> OSCam << cardserver started at Sun Feb 24 19:09:28 2013
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s >> OSCam << cardserver started, version 1.20-unstable_svn, build r8358 (i486-linux-gnu)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s creating pidfile /tmp/.oscam/oscam.pid with pid 1494
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.services" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s userdb reloaded: 1 accounts loaded, 0 expired, 0 disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s signal handling initialized
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.srvid" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.tiers" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.provid" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.guess" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.ird" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.whitelist" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.cacheex" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s monitor: disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s camd35: disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s cs378x: disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s newcamd: disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s cccam: initialized (fd=5, port=12000)
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s pandora: disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s csp: disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s radegast: disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s tivusat [smargo] creating thread for device /dev/ttyUSB0
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s loadbalancer: can't read from file /tmp/.oscam/stat
2013/02/24 19:09:28 0 s waiting for local card init
2013/02/24 19:09:28 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] smargo init
2013/02/24 19:09:28 94A6418 h dvbapi: HTTP Server listening on port 18641
2013/02/24 19:09:28 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] Reader initialized (device=/dev/ttyUSB0, detect=cd, mhz=357, cardmhz=357)
2013/02/24 19:09:29 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] card detected
2013/02/24 19:09:35 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] ATR: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FF 47 00 54 49 47 45 52 30 30 33 20 52 65 76 32 35 30 64
2013/02/24 19:09:35 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] Init card protocol T1, FI=9, F=512, D=16, N=255
2013/02/24 19:09:35 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] Calculated work ETU is 74.40 us
2013/02/24 19:09:36 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] ATR Fsmax is: 5 Mhz, clocking card to wanted user cardspeed of 5.00 Mhz (specified in reader->mhz)
2013/02/24 19:09:37 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] detect nagra tiger card
2013/02/24 19:09:38 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] Resync error: readtimeouts 0/0 (max/min) us, writetimeouts 0/0 (max/min) us
2013/02/24 19:09:39 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] T1 Resync command error, trying to reactivate!
2013/02/24 19:09:42 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] ATR: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FF 47 00 54 49 47 45 52 30 30 33 20 52 65 76 32 35 30 64
2013/02/24 19:09:42 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] Init card protocol T1, FI=9, F=512, D=16, N=255
2013/02/24 19:09:42 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] Calculated work ETU is 74.40 us
2013/02/24 19:09:42 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] ATR Fsmax is: 5 Mhz, clocking card to wanted user cardspeed of 5.00 Mhz (specified in reader->mhz)
2013/02/24 19:09:42 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] card system not supported
2013/02/24 19:09:42 94A7C48 r tivusat [smargo] card initializing error
2013/02/24 19:09:43 0 s init for all local cards done
2013/02/24 19:09:43 0 s anti cascading disabled
2013/02/24 19:09:43 94AE640 c anonymous disconnected from 192.168.178.10
2013/02/24 19:09:47 94B18C0 c encrypted cccam-client 192.168.178.10 granted (user1, au=on (1 reader))
2013/02/24 19:10:04 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:09BDA3ECF7B65DCEE1A44B1E8B1B794B): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:10:09 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:67A33820E86EAE77EDE55900AC2D15EA): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:10:19 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:C9BD29F803DCEA5A24D8ED849EDD26BD): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:10:29 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:4016F6926CF34BF5C7CF106590D4E72E): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:10:39 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:A4786B767C8830717E3981BD88780050): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:10:49 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:08D306553C4BBDB730063D5D87BE35C8): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:10:59 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:B056D599D4FC0728E1FF048EED83B36E): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:11:09 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:262291F120F6237FC27E992C8B8881CA): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 19:11:19 94B18C0 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:F030EB96B07FEC88E5959B819885CD6E): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)

Ma all'utlima voce che significa dove sta scritto user1 : rejected group?

Ragazzi ho messo in mezzo easy mouse2 però sto uscendo pazzo mi dovete dare una mano non potete lasciarmi in questo modo

Allora se ho capito bene

SW2 = 3v3 e 5v (io sto utilizzando 5v)
SW1 = Smartmouse e Phoenix (io sto utilizzando Phoenix)
SW4 = Mi fa capire di utilizzare Y1 (mettondolo sotto) che sarebbe la frequneza sky 3,57 MHZ, Mettondolo sopra invece mi fa capire che posso utilizzare SW3 (Io sto utilizzando per SW3)
SW3 = le varie frequenze che posso settare compresa la Y1 che sarebbe 3,57 MHZ (io sto utlizzando 10 MHZ)

Detto ciò posto il tutto

Oscam conf

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[global]
logfile = /var/log/ipc/OScam.log
fallbacktimeout = 2000
failbantime = 5
cachedelay = 120
nice = -1
maxlogsize = 512
preferlocalcards = 1
saveinithistory = 1

[cccam]
port = 12000
reshare = 1
ignorereshare = 0
version = 2.2.1
reshare_mode = 0

[webif]
httpport = 18641
httphelplang = it
httpuser = root
httppwd = password
httpallowed = 0.0.0.0-255.255.255.255
httphideidleclients = 1

Oscam Server

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[reader]
label = tivusat
protocol = mouse
device = /dev/ttyUSB0
caid = 183D
rsakey = A92DA72FEEACF2947B003ED6521 _____ C9F4D8164B5
detect = cd
mhz = 368
cardmhz = 368
ident = 183D:000000,005411
group = 1
emmcache = 1,3,2

Oscam user

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[account]
user = user1
pwd = pass1
group = 1
au = tivusat

CCcam.cfg di user1

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C: 192.168.178.8 12000 user1 pass1 yes

Oscam.log

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>> OSCam << cardserver started at Sun Feb 24 21:26:47 2013
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s >> OSCam << cardserver started, version 1.20-unstable_svn, build r8358 (i486-linux-gnu)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s creating pidfile /tmp/.oscam/oscam.pid with pid 4623
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.services" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s userdb reloaded: 1 accounts loaded, 0 expired, 0 disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s signal handling initialized
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.srvid" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.tiers" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.provid" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.guess" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.ird" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.whitelist" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.cacheex" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s monitor: disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s camd35: disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s cs378x: disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s newcamd: disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s cccam: initialized (fd=5, port=12000)
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s pandora: disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s csp: disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s radegast: disabled
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s tivusat [mouse] creating thread for device /dev/ttyUSB0
2013/02/24 21:26:47 983F418 h dvbapi: HTTP Server listening on port 18641
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s loadbalancer: can't read from file /tmp/.oscam/stat
2013/02/24 21:26:47 0 s waiting for local card init
2013/02/24 21:26:47 9840C48 r tivusat [mouse] Reader initialized (device=/dev/ttyUSB0, detect=cd, mhz=368, cardmhz=368)
2013/02/24 21:26:48 9840C48 r tivusat [mouse] card detected
2013/02/24 21:26:52 9840C48 r tivusat [mouse] Error activating card.
2013/02/24 21:27:00 0 --- Skipped 2 duplicated log lines ---
2013/02/24 21:27:00 9840C48 r tivusat [mouse] card initializing error
2013/02/24 21:27:01 0 s init for all local cards done
2013/02/24 21:27:01 0 s anti cascading disabled
2013/02/24 21:27:01 9847608 c anonymous disconnected from 192.168.178.10
2013/02/24 21:27:06 984A888 c encrypted cccam-client 192.168.178.10 granted (user1, au=on (1 reader))
2013/02/24 21:27:14 984A888 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:383ADDEC8E4E1CE467B6FFF02825E2F0): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 21:27:24 984A888 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:0AF0DC726171B4833EE15EB588BC84EE): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)
2013/02/24 21:27:34 984A888 c user1 (183D&000000/0000/0002/91:0A8A50D08A7616F3659B329BD3D94709): rejected group (0 ms) (0/0/0/0) (no matching reader)

 

[elcoro]

AW: tivusat

scusa sai ma io non ti riesco a seguire ai in questo igel il file udev e ti ostini a settare /dev/ttyUSB0,
poi ti avevo scritto che se usi smargo devi usare smartreader e nn smargo.

per easymouse ho per smargo la tivusat funge solo con 3,57mhz,

poi il file CCcam.cfg lai inserito anche sul igel? ho lai usato da un altro decoder?

e togli anche sti ecmwhitlist per adesso li puoi inserire in secondo tempo

 

[terminal]

Mettiamoci d'accordo quindi chiariamo alcune cose se no continueremo a non capirci. Allora:

1) Non capisco tu cosa intendi per igel
2) per il fatto smargo se leggi bene sul forum ci sono vari utenti compreso me che la shceda sky viene letta con smargo e non smartreader (ma se vuoi certezze ti posso postare il log della oscam con le varie diciture cosi ci mettiamo l'animo in pace)
3) Riguardo la frequenza non sapevo cosa mettere e leggendo altrove ho letto che veniva letta a 3,68 MHZ (bene metterò 3,57 mhz)
4) Per il fatto CCcam.cfg non capisco se non mi spieghi cos'è igel
5) ecmwithlist diciamo che non so neanche cosa sia ho fatto un semplice copia e incolla come dice sempre MEISTER ma io sono abituato prima a provare e poi di volta in volta capisco le varie cose, è un mio modo di capire le cose che forse non condivideranno altre persone (so di poter andare nelle wiki per capire meglio ma se me lo dici te sarò molto contento)
6) Il fatto /dev/ttyUSB0 lo uso per fare prove visto che con UDEV non va neanche easymouse solo uno smargo è andato a buon fine dove mettevo la scheda sky (ma questa cosa la vorrei sistemare non prima di aver fatto partire la mia tivusat

Con la voglia di non mollare ecco qui il tutto....

Non posto Oscam conf perchè credo che vada bene anche perchè se non andasse bene la scheda sky e Redlight non avrebbe visione dal lato client.

Oscam Server

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[reader]
label = tivusat
protocol = mouse
device = /dev/ttyUSB1
caid = 183D
rsakey = A92DA72____F4D8164B5
detect = cd
mhz = 357
cardmhz = 357
ident = 183D:000000,005411
group = 2
emmcache = 1,3,2

oscam log

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> OSCam << cardserver started at Mon Feb 25 00:18:43 2013
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s >> OSCam << cardserver started, version 1.20-unstable_svn, build r8358 (i486-linux-gnu)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s creating pidfile /tmp/.oscam/oscam.pid with pid 6562
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.services" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s userdb reloaded: 1 accounts loaded, 0 expired, 0 disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s signal handling initialized
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.srvid" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.tiers" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.provid" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.guess" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.ird" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.whitelist" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s ERROR: Cannot open file "/var/etc/oscam.cacheex" (errno=2 No such file or directory)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s monitor: disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s camd35: disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s cs378x: disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s newcamd: disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s cccam: initialized (fd=5, port=12000)
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s pandora: disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s csp: disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s radegast: disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s tivusat [mouse] creating thread for device /dev/ttyUSB1
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s loadbalancer: can't read from file /tmp/.oscam/stat
2013/02/25 00:18:43 0 s waiting for local card init
2013/02/25 00:18:43 951B418 h dvbapi: HTTP Server listening on port 18641
2013/02/25 00:18:43 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] Reader initialized (device=/dev/ttyUSB1, detect=cd, mhz=357, cardmhz=357)
2013/02/25 00:18:44 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] card detected
2013/02/25 00:18:46 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] ATR: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FF 47 00 54 49 47 45 52 30 30 33 20 52 65 76 32 35 30 64
2013/02/25 00:18:46 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] Init card protocol T1, FI=9, F=512, D=16, N=255
2013/02/25 00:18:46 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] Setting baudrate to 111600 bps
2013/02/25 00:18:46 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] Calculated work ETU is 8.96 us
2013/02/25 00:18:46 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] ATR Fsmax is: 5 Mhz, clocking card to wanted user cardspeed of 3.57 Mhz (specified in reader->mhz)
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] detect nagra tiger card
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] type: NAGRA, caid: 183D, IRD ID: ############
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] ProviderID: 00 00 54 11
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [mouse] found card system nagra
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [nagra] ROM: T I G E R 0 0 3
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [nagra] REV: R e v 2 5 0
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [nagra] SER: ############
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [nagra] CAID: 183D
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [nagra] Prv.ID: 00 00 54 11 (sysid)
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [nagra] Activation Date : 01/01/2009
2013/02/25 00:18:47 951CC48 r tivusat [nagra] Expiry Date : 01/01/2038
2013/02/25 00:18:48 0 s init for all local cards done
2013/02/25 00:18:48 0 s anti cascading disabled
2013/02/25 00:18:48 B7201040 c encrypted cccam-client 192.168.178.10 granted (user1, au=off)

Vedo che dovrebbe andare ma non ho visione

P.S. Riguardo easymouse ho settato così
5v - Phoenix - 3,57

Ma non è che debba cambiare la versione di OSCAM?

 

[meister85]

AW: tivusat

Che significa che non hai visione? Cosa ti dice il log, quando metti per esempio su canale 5?

Visto che avete provato gia un paio di cose, dimmi come se rimasto per adesso? Usi oscam only?

PS: PER FAVORE NON FARE DOPPIO POST!!! USA IL BUTTOM PER EDITARE IL POST!

 

[elcoro]

AW: tivusat

PC = server con debian un normale PC allora?
Igel e un mini PC grandezza di un decoder del tipo dreambox 7020 o decoder Tivusat ( molto stabile )
la CCcam.cfg dove ce lai inserita?

io insisto e dico che dal log la tivusat viene letta perfettamente,
adesso rimane solo sapere se la card tivusat e funzionante e attiva ( questa la puoi provare su un decoder con CCcam 2.2.1 e vedi se ai visione )

 

[terminal]

AW: tivusat

Bene funziona tutto avevo sbagliato a mettere il group e au in oscam.user, avevo lasciato quelli per sky. Io uso oscam pura.
Adesso ho visione ed ecm 0.147 diciamo che va bene. Io uso PC normale con Debian 6.0 la cfg la ho inserita nel decoder locale.

A questo punto devo provare i comandi UDEV, Ma per abbassare ulteriormete gli ecm dove posso giostare? la riga ins? l'overclock dell'easymouse? o non devo far niente?

 

[elcoro]

AW: tivusat

finalmente finalmente e un successo :emoticon-0148-yes:

abbassare gli ecm della tivusat? perché li trovi troppo alti? ecm 0.147 direi che piú basso di cosí nn scendi

 

[Gelöschtes Mitglied 136430]

AW: tivusat

die ecm zeiten kriegst du nicht viel weiter runter. soweit ich weis taktet sich die nagra karte automatisch wenn er es braucht.
ist mir bissjetzt noch nie passiert das die tivusat karte gefreezt hat.
kannst ja mal aber selber versuchen auf 6mhz. sag bescheid

Gesendet von meinem GT-N7000 mit Tapatalk 2

 

[MICIONE]

AW: TIVUSAT / HD+ / oscam / smargo reader (smartreader)

Salve ragazzi, visto che questo è uno dei pochi Tread ancora attivi sul tema TIVUSAT / OScam / Ubuntu / Smargo Reader ho deciso di postare la mia configurazione con tutte le info possibili per aiutare chi ne ha bisogno.
Premetto che sono stato 7 giorni a cercare, leggere sui vari forum e provare decine di configurazioni diverse, fino a quando in mattina presto (guardare oratio post) sono riuscito a far funzionare la scheda Tivusat con OScam.

#####################################
Smartcard: Tivusat 183D (bianca/blu)
SERVER: Ubuntu 14.4 x64 bit
Lettore: Smargo Reader con Firmware 1.5
OScam: OSCam r9997
#####################################


oscam.server

[reader]
label = Smargo-00 # (nome del reader a piacere)
description = smargoreader_00 # (descrizione del reader a piacere)
protocol = mouse
device = /dev/ttyUSB0 # (da cambiare a seconda dell`esigenza)
caid = 183D
boxid = 12345678
rsakey = A92D............4B5
ins7e11 = 14
ecmwhitelist = 183D@005411:91,FFFFFFFF
ecmheaderwhitelist = 80308ED387,81308ED387
detect = cd
mhz = 368
ident = 183D:000000,005411
group = 1 # (da cambiare a seconda dell`esigenza)
emmcache = 1,3,2
blockemm-unknown = 1
blockemm-u = 1
blockemm-s = 1
blockemm-g = 1
saveemm-unknown = 1
saveemm-u = 1
auprovid = 00183D
ndsversion = 2

visto che mi trovo a scrivere posto anche la configurazione per la Smartcard tedesca HD+ nera

oscam.server

[reader]
label = Smargo-02 # (nome del reader a piacere)
description = HD+ black # (descrizione del reader a piacere)
protocol = mouse
device = /dev/ttyUSB1 # (da cambiare a seconda dell`esigenza)
boxkey = A76..................37C
rsakey = BF358B.......................4DD5
detect = cd
mhz = 368
cardmhz = 368
group = 2 # (da cambiare a seconda dell`esigenza)
emmcache = 1,1,2

Grazie a voi tutti per i vostri contributi